[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]


To: "EPP Provreg" <ietf-provreg@cafax.se>
From: Alistair.Braden@nominet.org.uk
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:34:38 +0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nominet.org.uk; i=Alistair.Braden@nominet.org.uk; q=dns/txt; s=main.dkim.nominet.selector; t=1263980080; x=1295516080; h=from:sender:reply-to:subject:date:message-id:to:cc: mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-id: content-description:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender: resent-to:resent-cc:resent-message-id:in-reply-to: references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:list-owner:list-archive; z=From:=20Alistair.Braden@nominet.org.uk|Subject:=20Re:=20 [ietf-provreg]=20new=20epp=20commands?|Date:=20Wed,=2020 =20Jan=202010=2009:34:38=20+0000|Message-ID:=20<OF4F90223 3.10C743E7-ON802576B1.0031EECE-802576B1.00349C89@nominet. org.uk>|To:=20"EPP=20Provreg"=20<ietf-provreg@cafax.se> |MIME-Version:=201.0|In-Reply-To:=20<20100119185736.GC733 78@shinkuro.com>|References:=20<OF71E004A6.16DF9618-ON802 576B0.005A5684-802576B0.005AB672@nominet.org.uk>=20<C77B5 59F.36DD4%jgould@verisign.com>=20<20100119185736.GC73378@ shinkuro.com>; bh=K50QFqjPuqhslygP/rZkIc5al0SK7JS4AkUZ5dzx/es=; b=PwSL6MCUeXgoE5xMQotydaPHH5oIht+czscbAEKdLnnu9vDTdqs6hW4V fIrqcOfCDHzIhTn3rn4fh8Rg1JjpgxHA5pkGwDtkIax34UWikteLE4zfq RvfkIjdTEUJ+YGP;
DomainKey-Signature: s=main.dk.nominet.selector; d=nominet.org.uk; c=nofws; q=dns; h=X-IronPort-AV:Received:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To: X-Mailer:Message-ID:From:Date:X-MIMETrack:MIME-Version: Content-type; b=cEopupd1t29quGBVS5FGQ4K6kKFKtTyLjL/ffe2cxh3G/V6uhppDFRMv iX1ulMSiBVryj9YaUn0oXDLcmHLTp3A4OnT/4KLrByQlGEQLMRZ/Zxd/i pgyHf/Kj9ZUlX2k;
In-Reply-To: <20100119185736.GC73378@shinkuro.com>
Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] new epp commands?

> Andrew Sullivan <ajs@shinkuro.com>

> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 12:27:11PM -0500, James Gould wrote:
> > provided a complete list of sponsorship.  Unbounded queries via EPP is
not
> > scalable.
>
> Why not?  It's just an XML document.  Why couldn't one have a
> mechanism for this?  (Whether it's sane is another matter.  I'm just
> being querulous.)

As has been mentioned, we have an EPP implementation of a list command. The
email-based system which predates EPP has a similar command, and is
routinely used by registrars to retrieve lists of ~1M domain names along
with account, host details etc. Registrars migrating to EPP have a
reasonable expectation to do the same thing, hence we have implemented it.

There were several scalability issues, but the most compelling was that
length of the message has to be known before it is sent, so that the 4-byte
header can be correctly written. This means that the entire message has to
be held in memory (or other storage), which in this case has the potential
to be very large. Multiply this size by the number of possible concurrent
requests, and you have an obvious hardware problem. Although the 4-byte
header clearly has its uses, it prevented us from streaming information
through the EPP server to the user - the storage issue disappears if you
can retrieve a small number of rows from the database, format them in XML,
send them down the socket, and repeat until you have fulfilled the request.
This way, the amount of storage needed per connection is bounded above and
is no different to a single-domain <info>, which is much easier to cope
with.

For this and other reasons, we settled for a hamstrung version with a
configurable upper bound. This is rather inferior to the equivalent 'less
sophisticated' email system but is useful enough, and is rather more
efficient, both server- and client-side, than the registrar sending one
<info> request for each of their domain names. By comparison, the
email-based system does not process concurrent requests, so the maximum
storage required is bounded above by the size of our registry, so holding
the entire message in memory was never a problem. Also, it does not return
XML, so the message itself is a lot more terse.

Alistair Braden

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
List run by majordomo software.  For (Un-)subscription and similar details
send "help" to ietf-provreg-request@cafax.se


Home | Date list | Subject list