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Måns Nilsson <mansaxel@sunet.se>
Date:
Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:32:16 +0200
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Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-04.txt
--On Thursday, April 24, 2003 22:46:52 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com> wrote: >> That together with a decent public looking-glass will tell the interested >> person pretty much anything you might want to know. > > You can find out about the ISP, which is appropriate. You cannot find out > about the ISP's customers, which is not always appropriate. Worng. Let's look at the source addres of your mail and mine. $ whois -a 130.105.11.4 OrgName: Open Software Foundation OrgID: OSF Address: 529 Main St. City: Boston StateProv: MA PostalCode: 02129 Country: US NetRange: 130.105.0.0 - 130.105.255.255 CIDR: 130.105.0.0/16 NetName: OSF NetHandle: NET-130-105-0-0-1 Parent: NET-130-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: STARSHIP.AV8.COM NameServer: CONCORDE.AV8.COM Comment: RegDate: 1988-07-20 Updated: 1998-12-21 TechHandle: DA31-ARIN TechName: Anderson, Dean A. TechPhone: +1-617-242-3091 TechEmail: dean@av8.com # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-04-24 20:10 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. ARIN needs a step for the route info too, so we get the source AS from BGP, and find the following AS-path: 2603 1239 2548 11784 which is Nordunet, Sprint, Allegiance Telecom and finally you. $ whois -a AS11784 OrgName: Plain Aivation, Inc OrgID: PLAINA Address: P.O. Box 7286 City: Nashua StateProv: NH PostalCode: 03060 Country: US ASNumber: 11784 ASName: ASN-AV8 ASHandle: AS11784 Comment: RegDate: 1998-12-17 Updated: 1998-12-17 TechHandle: DA31-ARIN TechName: Anderson, Dean A. TechPhone: +1-617-242-3091 TechEmail: dean@av8.com # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-04-24 20:10 # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database. and over to mine: $ whois -r 213.212.3.212 % This is the RIPE Whois server. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % Rights restricted by copyright. % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html inetnum: 213.212.3.192 - 213.212.3.223 netname: MANSNILSSON descr: Mans Nilsson country: SE admin-c: MN1334-RIPE tech-c: MN1334-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: DPNOC changed: registry@dataphone.net 20000203 source: RIPE route: 213.212.0.0/18 descr: Dataphone Communication Networks origin: AS8289 mnt-by: DPNOC changed: registry@dataphone.net 19990914 source: RIPE person: Mans Nilsson address: Royal Institute of Technology address: KTH/SUNET address: S-100 44 STOCKHOLM address: SE phone: +46 8 790 60 00 fax-no: +46 8 24 11 79 e-mail: mansaxel@sunet.se nic-hdl: MN1334-RIPE mnt-by: SUNET-MNT changed: mansaxel@sunet.se 20010321 changed: mansaxel@sunet.se 20021216 source: RIPE I haven't bothered with the traceroutes. It should by now be painfully obvious to most people that there is no privacy gained from removing reverse DNS, and your argument for this is not holding water.. >> DNS need not be applied in this process, it is merely the >> pretty-traceroute icing on an already sweet cake of data. > > I agree it is pretty traceroute icing. I also agree that DNS need not be > applied to this process. Maybe we are getting somewhere. Come on, and read what I write. I am trying to tell you that it is orthagonal to the issue at hand. Can we drop the privacy argument, please? -- Måns Nilsson Systems Specialist +46 70 681 7204 KTHNOC MN1334-RIPE We're sysadmins. To us, data is a protocol-overhead.