Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-04.txt

[Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>]

Maybe you want to look more closely.  That hasn't revealed anything about
my customers.

As I recall, you were the person with all your customers on your in-addr,
right?

	--Dean

On Fri, 25 Apr 2003, [ISO-8859-1] Måns Nilsson wrote:

>
>
> --On Thursday, April 24, 2003 22:46:52 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> That together with a decent public looking-glass will tell the interested
> >> person pretty much anything you might want to know.
> >
> > You can find out about the ISP, which is appropriate. You cannot find out
> > about the ISP's customers, which is not always appropriate.
>
> Worng. Let's look at the source addres of your mail and mine.
>
> $ whois -a 130.105.11.4
>
> OrgName:    Open Software Foundation
> OrgID:      OSF
> Address:    529 Main St.
> City:       Boston
> StateProv:  MA
> PostalCode: 02129
> Country:    US
>
> NetRange:   130.105.0.0 - 130.105.255.255
> CIDR:       130.105.0.0/16
> NetName:    OSF
> NetHandle:  NET-130-105-0-0-1
> Parent:     NET-130-0-0-0-0
> NetType:    Direct Allocation
> NameServer: STARSHIP.AV8.COM
> NameServer: CONCORDE.AV8.COM
> Comment:
> RegDate:    1988-07-20
> Updated:    1998-12-21
>
> TechHandle: DA31-ARIN
> TechName:   Anderson, Dean A.
> TechPhone:  +1-617-242-3091
> TechEmail:  dean@av8.com
>
> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-04-24 20:10
> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>
> ARIN needs a step for the route info too, so we get the source AS from BGP,
> and find the following AS-path: 2603 1239 2548 11784 which is Nordunet,
> Sprint, Allegiance Telecom and finally you.
>
> $ whois -a AS11784
>
> OrgName:    Plain Aivation, Inc
> OrgID:      PLAINA
> Address:    P.O. Box 7286
> City:       Nashua
> StateProv:  NH
> PostalCode: 03060
> Country:    US
>
> ASNumber:   11784
> ASName:     ASN-AV8
> ASHandle:   AS11784
> Comment:
> RegDate:    1998-12-17
> Updated:    1998-12-17
>
> TechHandle: DA31-ARIN
> TechName:   Anderson, Dean A.
> TechPhone:  +1-617-242-3091
> TechEmail:  dean@av8.com
>
> # ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2003-04-24 20:10
> # Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
>
> and over to mine:
>
> $ whois -r 213.212.3.212
> % This is the RIPE Whois server.
> % The objects are in RPSL format.
> %
> % Rights restricted by copyright.
> % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html
>
> inetnum:      213.212.3.192 - 213.212.3.223
> netname:      MANSNILSSON
> descr:        Mans Nilsson
> country:      SE
> admin-c:      MN1334-RIPE
> tech-c:       MN1334-RIPE
> status:       ASSIGNED PA
> mnt-by:       DPNOC
> changed:      registry@dataphone.net 20000203
> source:       RIPE
>
> route:       213.212.0.0/18
> descr:       Dataphone Communication Networks
> origin:      AS8289
> mnt-by:      DPNOC
> changed:     registry@dataphone.net 19990914
> source:      RIPE
>
> person:       Mans Nilsson
> address:      Royal Institute of Technology
> address:      KTH/SUNET
> address:      S-100 44  STOCKHOLM
> address:      SE
> phone:        +46 8 790 60 00
> fax-no:       +46 8 24 11 79
> e-mail:       mansaxel@sunet.se
> nic-hdl:      MN1334-RIPE
> mnt-by:       SUNET-MNT
> changed:      mansaxel@sunet.se 20010321
> changed:      mansaxel@sunet.se 20021216
> source:       RIPE
>
> I haven't bothered with the traceroutes. It should by now be painfully
> obvious to most people that there is no privacy gained from removing
> reverse DNS, and your argument for this is not holding water..
>
> >> DNS need not be applied in this process, it is merely the
> >> pretty-traceroute icing on an already sweet cake of data.
> >
> > I agree it is pretty traceroute icing. I also agree that DNS need not be
> > applied to this process.  Maybe we are getting somewhere.
>
> Come on, and read what I write. I am trying to tell you that it is
> orthagonal to the issue at hand. Can we drop the privacy argument, please?
>
> --
> Måns Nilsson            Systems Specialist
> +46 70 681 7204         KTHNOC  MN1334-RIPE
>
> We're sysadmins. To us, data is a protocol-overhead.


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