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To: Måns Nilsson <mansaxel@sunet.se>
cc: dnsop@cafax.se
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:46:52 -0400 (EDT)
In-Reply-To: <166260000.1051199892@localhost>
Sender: owner-dnsop@cafax.se
Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-04.txt



On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, [ISO-8859-1] Måns Nilsson wrote:

>
>
> --On Tuesday, April 08, 2003 19:04:35 -0400 Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Really? What is it?
> >>
> >> Know your tools and ask your LIRs.
> >
> > Most registries won't give this information out anymore. (for the obvious
> > reason).  One can't easily get copies of the com or net zones (to look for
> > domains with certain nameservers).
>
> Hey, come on. All the RIRen have public whois. You can pretty much find out
> anything about any network that is routed on the Net (and a bunch of
> others, too) via whois queries. The format is not coherent, it is not
> scalable, but it is there.
>
> That together with a decent public looking-glass will tell the interested
> person pretty much anything you might want to know.

You can find out about the ISP, which is appropriate. You cannot find out
about the ISP's customers, which is not always appropriate.

> DNS need not be applied in this process, it is merely the pretty-traceroute
> icing on an already sweet cake of data.

I agree it is pretty traceroute icing. I also agree that DNS need not be
applied to this process.  Maybe we are getting somewhere.

		--Dean


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