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To: Simon Josefsson <simon+keydist@josefsson.org>
CC: James Seng/Personal <jseng@pobox.org.sg>, Greg Hudson <ghudson@MIT.EDU>, keydist@cafax.se
From: Steve Hanna <steve.hanna@sun.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 14:23:42 -0500
Delivery-Date: Fri Jan 4 20:25:44 2002
Sender: owner-keydist@cafax.se
Subject: Re: From whence we came...

"James Seng" <jseng@pobox.org.sg> writes:
> Another business model fault. PKIX is designed to be hierarchical.

No, that's not true. PKIX supports any topology: hierarchical,
mesh, star, bridge, etc. PEM and the original X.509 were
hierarchical and assumed a single global trusted root, but that
was changed more than five years ago.

Simon Josefsson wrote:
> "James Seng/Personal" <jseng@pobox.org.sg> writes:
> > Unfortunately, "I get X dollar per cert" model prevents this from
> > happening. Imaging if InterNIC started to charge "$1 per host" and not
> > "$35 per domain" in 1995, we likely end up the same for DNS too.
> 
> We are headed in that direction with opt-in anyway, I think.  It will
> cost $35 to get foo.com but $35^x to get a foo.com that is DNSSEC signed.

This is one big problem with having a monopoly. You get monopoly
prices. Let's not design another system that requires us to use
this monopoly. Verisign charges thousands of dollars *per machine*
for SSL server certs.

-Steve

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