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From:
"JIM R FLEMING" <JimFleming@prodigy.net>
Date:
Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:20:04 -0500
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"JIM R FLEMING" <JimFleming@prodigy.net>
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subject:
(ngtrans) held hostage by....
----- Original Message ----- From: "David R. Conrad" <david.conrad@nominum.com> To: "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to>; <ngtrans@sunroof.eng.sun.com>; <namedroppers@ops.ietf.org>; <ipng@sunroof.eng.sun.com>; <dnsop@cafax.se> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: Re: (ngtrans) Joint DNSEXT & NGTRANS summary > Dan, > > At 12:14 AM 8/8/2001 +0000, D. J. Bernstein wrote: > >The NAT sites I've seen are using it for precisely one reason: to > >conserve precious IPv4 address space. > > Large organizations also use NAT so they aren't held hostage by their > service provider. Really. If you don't believe me, ask any large > organization that does not have "portable" address space. > Large organizations also use NAT so that they are not held hostage by the ICANN/IANA multi-level-marketing (MLM) structure of the large IPv4 Address Block owners and the Regional Registries.[1] By using NAT, companies do not have to pay "Internet taxes" to inefficient organizations who continue to grow in size to support their traveling road shows of gad-flys, groupies, industry pundits and politicians. What should be a completely automated system of obtaining (and returning) blocks of IP addresses to pools maintained on reliable database servers, continues to be a *subjective*, manual system, which requires that people "grease" the right parts of the system in order to obtain a useable IPv4 address block. The large companies (some listed below) who already have plenty of IPv4 allocations, are immune from dealing with the MLM monster. They regularly claim they just do not see what the problem is, yet, they are able to grow in size and win contracts because they have the IPv4 allocations and others pay dearly in fees and administrative overhead to obtain meager resources. [1] http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space 000/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 001/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 002/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 003/8 General Electric Company May 94 004/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92 005/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95 006/8 Army Information Systems Center Feb 94 007/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95 008/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92 009/8 IBM Aug 92 010/8 IANA - Private Use Jun 95 011/8 DoD Intel Information Systems May 93 012/8 AT&T Bell Laboratories Jun 95 013/8 Xerox Corporation Sep 91 014/8 IANA - Public Data Network Jun 91 015/8 Hewlett-Packard Company Jul 94 016/8 Digital Equipment Corporation Nov 94 017/8 Apple Computer Inc. Jul 92 018/8 MIT Jan 94 019/8 Ford Motor Company May 95 020/8 Computer Sciences Corporation Oct 94 021/8 DDN-RVN Jul 91 022/8 Defense Information Systems Agency May 93 023/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95 024/8 ARIN - Cable Block May 01 (Formerly IANA - Jul 95) 025/8 Royal Signals and Radar Establishment Jan 95 026/8 Defense Information Systems Agency May 95 027/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95 028/8 DSI-North Jul 92 029/8 Defense Information Systems Agency Jul 91 030/8 Defense Information Systems Agency Jul 91 031/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 99 032/8 Norsk Informasjonsteknologi Jun 94 033/8 DLA Systems Automation Center Jan 91 034/8 Halliburton Company Mar 93 035/8 MERIT Computer Network Apr 94 036/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 00 (Formerly Stanford University - Apr 93) 037/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95 038/8 Performance Systems International Sep 94 039/8 IANA - Reserved Apr 95 040/8 Eli Lily and Company Jun 94 041/8 IANA - Reserved May 95 042/8 IANA - Reserved Jul 95 043/8 Japan Inet Jan 91 044/8 Amateur Radio Digital Communications Jul 92 045/8 Interop Show Network Jan 95 046/8 Bolt Beranek and Newman Inc. Dec 92 047/8 Bell-Northern Research Jan 91 048/8 Prudential Securities Inc. May 95 049/8 Joint Technical Command May 94 Returned to IANA Mar 98 050/8 Joint Technical Command May 94 Returned to IANA Mar 98 051/8 Deparment of Social Security of UK Aug 94 052/8 E.I. duPont de Nemours and Co., Inc. Dec 91 053/8 Cap Debis CCS Oct 93 054/8 Merck and Co., Inc. Mar 92 055/8 Boeing Computer Services Apr 95 056/8 U.S. Postal Service Jun 94 057/8 SITA May 95 058/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 059/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 060/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 061/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Apr 97 062/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Apr 97 063/8 ARIN Apr 97 064/8 ARIN Jul 99 065/8 ARIN Jul 00 066/8 ARIN Jul 00 067/8 ARIN May 01 068/8 ARIN Jun 01 069-079/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 080/8 RIPE NCC Apr 01 081/8 RIPE NCC Apr 01 082-095/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 096-126/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 127/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 128-191/8 Various Registries May 93 192/8 Various Registries - MultiRegional May 93 193/8 RIPE NCC - Europe May 93 194/8 RIPE NCC - Europe May 93 195/8 RIPE NCC - Europe May 93 196/8 Various Registries May 93 197/8 IANA - Reserved May 93 198/8 Various Registries May 93 199/8 ARIN - North America May 93 200/8 ARIN - Central and South America May 93 201/8 Reserved - Central and South America May 93 202/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim May 93 203/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim May 93 204/8 ARIN - North America Mar 94 205/8 ARIN - North America Mar 94 206/8 ARIN - North America Apr 95 207/8 ARIN - North America Nov 95 208/8 ARIN - North America Apr 96 209/8 ARIN - North America Jun 96 210/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Jun 96 211/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Jun 96 212/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Oct 97 213/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Mar 99 214/8 US-DOD Mar 98 215/8 US-DOD Mar 98 216/8 ARIN - North America Apr 98 217/8 RIPE NCC - Europe Jun 00 218/8 APNIC - Pacific Rim Dec 00 219-223/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 224-239/8 IANA - Multicast Sep 81 240-255/8 IANA - Reserved Sep 81 --------------------------------- Fortunately, that all now changes, since Microsoft has added the ability to use 2002 "IPv8 Addressing" in Windows 2000. Rather than allocating the IPv8 Address space to the same insiders above, the address space has been dispersed to thousands of regional and non-regional registries, in order to make it fair and open and to encourage automation and low-cost or no-cost allocations. People that get angry about this are generally expressing their concerns that THEY are no longer going to be able to hold people hostage over some simple IP address allocations. http://www.dot-arizona.com/IPv8/IPv4/ The "toy" IPv4 Internet is a sewer. IPv8 is designed to be a swamp to cover the sewer. IPv16 is the "high-ground".... ...here are some links... Jim Fleming http://www.unir.com Mars 128n 128e http://www.unir.com/images/architech.gif http://www.unir.com/images/address.gif http://www.unir.com/images/headers.gif http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/sdks/platform/tpipv6/start.asp http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12223.html