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To: Jakob Schlyter <jakob@crt.se>
Cc: <Ted.Lindgreen@tednet.nl>, Dan Massey <masseyd@isi.edu>, <dnssec@cafax.se>
From: Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org>
Date: 19 Apr 2001 15:07:00 +0200
Delivery-Date: Fri Apr 20 07:49:24 2001
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.33.0104191209220.6456-100000@fonbella.crt.se> (Jakob Schlyter's message of "Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:16:28 +0200 (CEST)")
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Subject: Re: Keys at apex problem

Jakob Schlyter <jakob@crt.se> writes:

> > One solution that wouldn't require changing specifications nor
> > implementations, and would remove this problem, would be to mandate a
> > practice (both in the SSH DNSSEC-patches as well as with the zone file
> > administrators) to add ssh KEY RR's as "_ssh.host.example.org" or
> > something similar.
> 
> is there a problem changing the specs when there are no widely deployed
> implementations? the only applications I know of that are using KEY is
> isakmpd and fmeshd's ssh.

Are there really any specs to specify location of KEY's for a host?
I've written a draft to specify location of CERT RR's (which updates
RFC2538 owner name guideliness), and I looked for similar drafts on
KEY locations but didn't find any.

I think the location of a KEY record for a host has been simply
assumed by everyone to be the DNS hostname.  Anything else would be
weird, but this thread shows that the obvious solution has its
problems as well.

> if we like to add a PUBKEY RR, we should do it now.

What would PUBKEY do that KEY can't do?  Three ways of doing roughly
the same thing - KEY, CERT and PUBKEY - seems a little bit too much.

IMHO the simplest thing would be to say that KEY is only used for
DNSSEC internally, and other applications should use CERT (it's easy
to define a CERT SSH type), and the CERT standard should also be
separated from the DNSSEC standard because it really doesn't depend on
it.  Perhaps, I dunno.


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