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To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
cc: Doug Barton <DougB@DougBarton.net>, Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>, Markus Stumpf <maex-lists-dns-ietf-dnsop@Space.Net>, <dnsop@cafax.se>
From: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:07:42 +0300 (EEST)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304042251090.19441-100000@commander.av8.net>
Sender: owner-dnsop@cafax.se
Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-inaddr-required-04.txt

Use the source Luke!

Do not have blind belief in readme's.  I've every confidence that Doug
knows how services are in FreeBSD -- you might want to have a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-committers.html
-- and as it happens, I happen to use tcp-wrappers a lot with non-inetd
programs also, and a *LOT* of others do so as well.

Just to mention a very common one, OpenSSH.

On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Dean Anderson wrote:

> I think you are confusing tcp-wrappers with socks. No doubt that
> socks-like library could be made from tcp-wrappers, but I don't think
> there has been. Its kind of a mute point though, since as has been pointed
> out, no one uses this functionality, and large sites don't run these
> servers out of inetd.
> 
> Could such services be built? Sure.
> 
> Are they built? No.
> 
> >From the tcp-wrappers readme:
> ===
> There are two ways to use the wrapper programs:
> 
> 1) The easy way: move network daemons to some other directory and fill
>    the resulting holes with copies of the wrapper programs.  This
>    approach involves no changes to system configuration files, so there
>    is very little risk of breaking things.
> 
> 2) The advanced way: leave the network daemons alone and modify the
>    inetd configuration file.  For example, an entry such as:
> 
>      tftp  dgram  udp  wait  root  /usr/etc/tcpd  in.tftpd -s /tftpboot
> ===
> 
> 
> 		--Dean
> 
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Doug Barton wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 4 Apr 2003, Dean Anderson wrote:
> >
> > > TCP wrappers only works on services that run out of inetd.  Most large
> > > sites doen't run FTP, gopher, or HTTP out of inetd.
> >
> > This is not correct. You can link with the tcp wrappers library for just
> > about any network service. Most of the FreeBSD network services are
> > configured this way, for example.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > --
> >
> >     If it's moving, encrypt it. If it's not moving, encrypt
> >         it till it moves, then encrypt it some more.
> >
> 
> 
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Pekka Savola                 "You each name yourselves king, yet the
Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings

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