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To: Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net>
Cc: Edward Lewis <edlewis@arin.net>, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine <brunner@nic-naa.net>, ietf-provreg@cafax.se, jaap@sidn.nl
From: Edward Lewis <edlewis@arin.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:26:30 -0500
In-Reply-To: <200303252211.h2PMBRGL068597@nic-naa.net>
Sender: owner-ietf-provreg@cafax.se
Subject: Re: [ietf-provreg] Our "Privacy Issue"

At 17:11 -0500 3/25/03, Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote:
>>                                                       Apparently you
>>  are not happy with requiring the protocol let the client include
>>  privacy meta-data to achieve the goal of allowing enforcement to
>>  happen at the server.
>
>Actually, I don't even know what "enforcement" means.
>
>How is "enforcement" meaningfully defined in the protocol?

In this case, "makes a decision on whether to send some data in a 
message."  We see the need to make decisions at either the registry 
or registrar.

>>                                                       Apparently you
>>  are not happy with requiring the protocol let the client include
>>  privacy meta-data
>
>But it isn't that simple, is it? If it were, then just sourcing the <dcp>
>from the client, and sinking it at the server, would suffice. But that
>isn't it.

Part of the problem statement was that we wanted to piecemeal the 
privacy metadata to a finer scope.  Do you think that that is a bad 
idea?

>No that is interesting. A functional requirement with no semantics.
>A mechanism with no discernable effect. Now that is worth the price of
>admission.

Yes, that is part of the role of being a proposed standard.  We have 
to gain operational experience that may find that parts of the 
protocol are useless or a needed to be expanded - as well as the 
circumstances of the documents.

I have heard rumors that in some business dealings swirling around 
the work done here, there is a need for a "standard."  To some that's 
an RFC, to others PR, to others DS, and so yet some others Full 
Standard or even STD-n.  As a chair, I can't deal with what others 
call a "standard" all I can deal with is what's in the process 
documents.

>
>>  >Is the new semantic capable of test by any in-protocol means?
>>
>>  Well, we want to be able to set, check, change and define the meaning
>>  of absence.
>
>Sounds like an abstract, post-creat, access provisioning protocol, for
>shared, multi-reader repositories.
>
>Not the same as getting the data past creat, or mod, or ...

Fortunately, this time I got lost at the end of the message.
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