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To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
cc: Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi>, Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>, Kenneth Porter <shiva@sewingwitch.com>, <dnsop@cafax.se>
From: Edward Warnicke <eaw@cisco.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:38:16 -0500 (EST)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302281243560.12483-100000@commander.av8.net>
Sender: owner-dnsop@cafax.se
Subject: Re: Request for review of DNS related draft

True, if directed broadcasts for a network implementing
this draft have not been disabled, but no more so than
any information about the structure of the network would
help a smurfer.  So it does reduce security through obscurity
by reducing obscurity.

However, if an organization is concerned they can limit which
zones/domainnames they expose to the outside world.  I would
expect it to be handled in the same way that organization handle
the question of which A records they choose to make visible to
the internet ( split DNS, bind9 views, etc ).

Would folks feel better about this if I were to put a paragraph
in the "security considerations" section noting that availability
to the outside world of information about the network structure
of a network may be used for DOS attacks like smurphing, and
recommending that organizations consider carefully the
acceptable visibility of such records?

Ed

On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Dean Anderson wrote:

> Not to mention that it would be quite useful to smurfers.
>
> 		--Dean
>
> On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Pekka Savola wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, Robert Elz wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Why would my nodes care what the network that contains some random IP
> > > address might happen to be (or why would I ever care more than the
> > > routing tables will tell me) ?
> >
> > Being able to do something like this would have quite a few security
> > considerations, besides -- in addition to operational reluctance to take
> > it to use.
> >
> > Finding your *own* info could be useful, but you really need most of that
> > information before you can make the DNS query..
> >
> > --
> > Pekka Savola                 "You each name yourselves king, yet the
> > Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
> > Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings
> >
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