Re: Minneapolis - agenda items please.

[Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>]

>> won't the mobile host either be
>>   o tunneled to 'inside' and hence will have the inside view of the
>>     dns
>>   o or living outside and hence have an outside view of the dns?
> 
> Yes. And those two are *different*, which is exactly my point. They
> shouldn't be. If you and I sit down in two chairs next to each other I
> see a certain benefit to us being able to share a common view of the
> namespace we call the Internet.

given the world of vlans, because we are in the same room does not mean
our laptops are logically in the same room.  as someone whose daytime job
requires a machine tunneled, i am horrifyingly aware of the implications
and consequences.

>> i doubt any of us like it.  but if you're gonna make a mess, it seems
>> your responsibility to contain it.  entropy and all that.
> While I agree to the principle (you and I can share the same horse in
> the argument against the firewalling brigade)

i was not saddling up rosenantes.  i was mearly saying that, if one is
going to partition the net, then one is responsible for a clean and
thorough job.

> the question I have is what constitutes the greater evil to the Internet:
> 
>         * a namespace that changes (to the point of being different
>           for two people sitting next to each other), but with all the
>           stuff you do see reachable 
> 
>         * a namespace that is static (in the sense that you and I can
>           share it, regardless of whether we're sitting next to each
>           other or on opposite sides of the Atlantic), but with some
>           stuff unreachable to one or both or us.
> 
> It can well be that the first one is better after all, but it is not
> obvious to to me that this is the case.
> 
> I do not like the semi-reachable stuff myself, but I do realize that
> such things are already very common, and are still increasing.

well said.

but i have a *very* severe alarm that goes off when i see increasing
entropy.  so i choose the former, thems that plays pays.  you do that
stuff, you are a consenting adult.

randy