RE: (ngtrans) Joint DNSEXT & NGTRANS summary

["Tony Hain" <alh-ietf@tndh.net>]

Well I told the other chairs to let the discussion on this 
thread continue through today as a mechanism to allow 
consensus to emerge, and then I would step up and try to 
summarize. As Matt noted in originating the thread there was 
no absolutely overwhelming position by those in the room in 
London, but to a degree that really doesn't matter. What 
matters is the position of those participating in the mail 
lists. What the question in London did was allow the chairs 
and IESG observers to gauge the distinction between a few 
very loud voices vs. a broad based level of support, and 
gauge how many had a willingness to express an opinion on 
the subject (which from what I could tell was everyone). 

Nathan and Bernard have a good start to the summary, in 
terms of boiling down the essential viewpoints. The things 
I would add from the discussion include:

- It is clear that we know how to make A6 resolvers deal with 
  AAAA clients.
- It appears that with current tools A6 reduces the burden of 
  renumbering on the zone administrator.
- It is not clear that renumbering will occur faster than a 
  AAAA zone file could be resigned.
- It is clear that we could evolve from AAAA to A6 later if 
  it became necessary.

Additionally:
- It is clear that on either path we need better tools for
  DNS management. 
- It is also clear that address renumbering can't be solved 
  simply through DNS magic.

Shortly, an Internet-Draft will be sent to the lists that 
describes the rough consensus (possibly very rough) of the 
joint group and recommends a course of action to the IESG. 
For this reason it would be inappropriate for the IESG to be 
asked to arbitrate the creation of a recommendation to 
themselves. While the WG chairs are listed as authors, it is 
still an I-D subject to comment and editing like any other. 
If you feel the positions presented in the draft do not 
represent the collective working group opinion, speak up. 

Tony 


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ipng@sunroof.eng.sun.com [mailto:owner-ipng@sunroof.eng.sun.com]On Behalf Of Nathan Jones
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 9:02 PM
To: ngtrans@sunroof.eng.sun.com; namedroppers@ops.ietf.org; ipng@sunroof.eng.sun.com; dnsop@cafax.se
Subject: Re: (ngtrans) Joint DNSEXT & NGTRANS summary

A6 supporters have spent a lot of time promoting flexibility, arguing
that we shouldn't limit our options because of fear of what might
happen.

AAAA supporters have spent a lot of time telling us that such
flexibility is not required and that possible A6 implementation
problems can't be fixed just by making recommendations for DNS
administrators.

The debate has gone on and on, but no consensus has been reached.
(I don't consider hums at London's meeting to be consensus.)
Is there merit in asking the Area Directors (or possibly the IESG)
for arbitration?

--
nathanj

Matt Crawford wrote:
>Here's the problem.  There was no attempt at consenus *building* after
>the discussion, only a quick measurement of opinions at that point.

Bernard Aboba wrote:
>Rather than worrying so much about what this or that company might do, the
>IETF might better spend its time and energy making clear decisions within
>a reasonable timeframe.
>
>In many cases "no decision" is actually the worst possible decision.
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